[hawkeye]

I MEANT TO SAY 450-500 CALLS FOR SKERRIES+THE SAME APPROX FOR BALBRIGGAN STATION..SORRY.

[Hazmat]

Just one question to ask. Where is the quietest full-time in this country and/or the UK and how many call-outs per year do they have?

[Monty]

Just one question to ask. Where is the quietest full-time in this country and/or the UK and how many call-outs per year do they have?

that site was pretty good and they have fulltime stations statistics on it but only irish ones not sure where you'd find the u.k ones

[Bluegiant]

Just a few points,
Since we have no national fire authority then each country / local authority has their own area and then nearest fire appliance is not always the one to respond as it maybe across the county line. As stated firefighter Bryan Murrays (R.I.P) house is on the Dublin side of the border so Dun Laoghaire would respond to that area.
As for an agreement between counties some have agreements some don't. Under Section 27 of the Fire Services Act the OIC of that local authority in which the incident occurs would be in charge.

Regarding RTAs when a crash occurs a person will naturally ring for an ambulance, in Dublin this means the automatic dispatching of a fire appliance and perhaps emergency tender for scene safety, fire cover, vehicle stabilisation and spinal precautions etc.

As can be seen with our Dun Laoghaire station they have a lower rate of turnouts to RTAs due to the fact they Health Board are taking the calls for that area and do not ask for an appliance in most cases even to protect their own staff from other road users while on scene. (making an assessment after arriving on an ambulance as to whether an appliance is required is just plain daft!)

The same happens with Bray as the Health Board are the same one taking the calls for Dun Laoghaires area so a fire appliance from Bray would rarely be asked to attend unless absolutely necessary.
Granted being retained the Local Authority would go mad if the fire brigade started responding to all the RTA they should be going to as the costs would fly up!

The above is from my personnel experience in dispatching and working in Dun Laoghaire.

We should have a national fire service, and a closely integrated fire and ambulance service for the benefit of our family and friends who are the people of Ireland!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SiteAdministrator]

The Labour Party has secured debating time in the Dail to push for an Independent investigation into the death of Brian Murray and Mark O’Shaughnessy


This debate takes place Tuesday and Wednesday, Oct. 9th and 10th respectively from 7-8.30pm on both evenings.


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MOTION ON FIRE SERVICE


That Dail Eireann:



Expresses its deep concern at the death of two fire-fighters during the course of a fire in Bray, Co. Wicklow on September 26th:

Acknowledges the bravery of Brian Murray and Mark O’Shaughnessy and extends its profound sympathy to the families and colleagues of the two men;

Commends the members of the full time and retained fire service across the country for their sterling work for the community;

Supports the call made by their colleagues for an independent investigation into the death of the two fire-fighters;

Regrets the failure of the government to implement in full the recommendations of the Farrell, Grant Sparks Review of Fire Safety and Fire Services in Ireland, submitted to the Department of the Environment in January, 2002;

Calls for

1) the establishment of a National Authority for Fire and Civil Protection/ Emergency Services, one of the key recommendations of the Review;
2) the establishment of full time fire services in areas of high population, such as Bray.



Ciaran Lynch, Liz McManus, Eamon Gilmore, Joan Burton, Emmet Stagg, Thomas P. Broughan, Joe Costello, Brendan Howlin, Michael D. Higgins, , Kathleen Lynch, Brian O’Shea Jan O’Sulliva,, Willie Penrose, Ruairi Quinn, Pat Rabbitte, Sean Sherlock, Sean Sherlock, Joanna Tuffy, Mary Upton, Jack Wall.

October 5, 2007

[Let it burn]

In relation to BLUEGIANT's earlier comment.
Some County fire services and health boards are to be commended for their initiative.
I have a friend working in westmeath who tells me that in that county the fire service is called to all RTA's.
When an RTA is called into the midland health board ambulance control, which also covers Laois and Offaly, they dispatch an ambulance and automatically contact fire control. The chief fire officers in those counties agreed some years ago that a fire crew would be dispatched to any RTA.
Others need to follow.
If the public in Dublin and the midlands get this level of cover doesn't everyone else deserve the same?

[A.F.S]

According to todays papers Brian Murray's Widow is to be on the Late Late tonight

[Blackbolt]

I have to agree with Let it Burn on this one, from askng around and various conversations i have had with fellow firefighters from other counties it looks like about a 50-50 split between counties that send the fire service to RTAs automatically and those that dont. For Gods sake if you have a crash be careful what county you are in, it could be the difference between living and dying.

[hsemedic1]

In our area, all calls we receive are passed onto CAMP (Munster). Unfortunately it's up to the fire chief to decide whether his people respond to the call or not. Limerick City F&R always turn out but the the CFO of Limk Co Co F&R has been arguing that there is not a need for them to be at every RTA as it is affecting their opertional budget. IMHO if a fire service is there before me then great. At least the pt is getting some care of someone who is relatively trained.

[Monty]

In our area, all calls we receive are passed onto CAMP (Munster). Unfortunately it's up to the fire chief to decide whether his people respond to the call or not. Limerick City F&R always turn out but the the CFO of Limk Co Co F&R has been arguing that there is not a need for them to be at every RTA as it is affecting their opertional budget. IMHO if a fire service is there before me then great. At least the pt is getting some care of someone who is relatively trained.

does anyone know if there is a transcript on last nights meeting about the two F/F's ??

[Monty]

does anyone know if there is a transcript on last nights meeting about the two F/F's ??

anyone attend the dail last night for an outcome on bray F/F's

[A.F.S]

Heres a link for a full transcript of last nights dail debate. it starts down near the bottom of the page

http://debates.oirea...?...=H12&Page=9

[Monty]

Heres a link for a full transcript of last nights dail debate. it starts down near the bottom of the page

http://debates.oirea...?...=H12&Page=9

excellent thanks A.F.S i couldnt find it on that site good spot. cant open anything though could you ?

[A.F.S]

excellent thanks A.F.S i couldnt find it on that site good spot. cant open anything though could you ?

Had a quick read through of it there, the opposition are calling for something to be done but as usual the government want to brush it under the carpet. The opposition brought up recomendations from the stardust report that have never being implemented and that places to turn out to are calculated on area rather than risk. They (The government) are trying to make the point the fire services change program will do more for the state of the service than the FGS report ever would, as well as that John Gormley is saying its up to each local authority to determine the type of cover provided in each area, Tony Killeen focused more on the prevention side of things. The National Emergency plan was also mentioned for the great work it has done and will do, so we can look forward to countless more major incident demos over the next 2 years which will make us world class firefighters! Government dont seem keen though to carry the motion forward. Could be wrong but is this debate to continue tonight?

[Monty]

Had a quick read through of it there, the opposition are calling for something to be done but as usual the government want to brush it under the carpet. The opposition brought up recomendations from the stardust report that have never being implemented and that places to turn out to are calculated on area rather than risk. They (The government) are trying to make the point the fire services change program will do more for the state of the service than the FGS report ever would, as well as that John Gormley is saying its up to each local authority to determine the type of cover provided in each area, Tony Killeen focused more on the prevention side of things. The National Emergency plan was also mentioned for the great work it has done and will do, so we can look forward to countless more major incident demos over the next 2 years which will make us world class firefighters! Government dont seem keen though to carry the motion forward. Could be wrong but is this debate to continue tonight?

excellent thanks for the updates not sure why i couldnt access it..

[RedOdare]

http://www.blues-twos.com/

If Louth, Meath and Dublin can cooperate at a 3 pump fire why can't other counties including Wicklow/ Dublin? A rare sight a fire on a border area with the response from the three nearest stations. Let hops others can learn from it.

[SiteAdministrator]

The family of fallen fireman Brian Murray will next Saturday 13th October 2007, lead a march through Bray to call for a full-time service for the town. The March will depart from the Town Hall at 11 a.m.

Please support the need for a full-time fire & emergency service for North Wicklow, 24 day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year.

Your being there will make a difference.

Margaret Cahill,
actioncommittee @ wicklowtoday.com

[Monty]

Latest News:

the Dáil rejected a full time service in Bray and said it is a matter for the local authority !!!!

[RedOdare]

Latest News:

the Dáil rejected a full time service in Bray and said it is a matter for the local authority !!!!

I think based on current callout numbers Bray will find it hard to get a full time service. They could look at options like day manning one pump. This has to be done with addressing the issue of co-operation with surrounding county.

If you live on one side of the dividing road in Bray and have a house fire with persons trapped DFB will respond with their pumps which could be Donnybrook, the other side of the road Wicklow will respond which could be Greystones depending on availability. That madness has to stop before more lives are lost.

[Ralphie]

The family of fallen fireman Brian Murray will next Saturday 13th October 2007, lead a march through Bray to call for a full-time service for the town. The March will depart from the Town Hall at 11 a.m.

Please support the need for a full-time fire & emergency service for North Wicklow, 24 day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year.

Your being there will make a difference.

Margaret Cahill,
actioncommittee @ wicklowtoday.com

Will be on duty on sat but I hope a lot of support is given on the day.